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Phil Ferguson offers tips for talking with kids about atheism at Skepticon

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Atheist investment advisor Phil Ferguson gave a different kind of advice at Skepticon 5, the annual skeptics convention in Springfield, Mo., Nov. 9 - 11. He shared his story of being an atheist and gave advice about talking with kids about atheism. Credit: FAVS photo by Kellie Kotraba

When Phil Ferguson told his daughter he was an atheist, she didn't seem to care. 

But his son cried for 24 hours. 

That's when he knew he'd let the church get to his kids too much. 

"The churches know they have to get to the kids," he said. 

Ferguson grew up Methodist, but eventually left the church and became an atheist. When he and his wife had children, things started to shift – a little. They had their children baptized and later enrolled them in the Christian pre-school, followed by Christian elementary school. Ferguson spent three years on the Christian school board. All the while, he was "a closeted atheist." 

By the time he decided to be open about his atheism again, his children were alread steeped in Christianity – the reason his son cried so much is because he thought his dad would not be in Heaven when he died. 

That, in part, is why Ferguson sees the importance of being open with children about atheism. 

The other reason? According to data the Pew Forum on Religion and Public life released in October, the number of people who are religiously unaffiliated is increasing – about one in five Americans falls into that category.

The younger the age demographic, the higher the percentage of unafilliated people, also called "nones." Among those 65 and older, only one in ten people claims no affiliation. But in the under-30 crowd, about one third of adults are unaffiliated, according to the Pew data. 

Being unafilliated does not mean someone is atheist, or an agnostic (*one who believes it is unknowable whether God exists). Atheists are just part of the unaffiliated. But that atheist niche is growing. 

"Some people don't think it's a battle. I do," he said. "We're winning the battle." 

Still, he cautioned his audience: "Do not underestimate the power of religion to get kids."

Here are some of the tips he offered his audience for talking about atheism with children: 

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Phil Ferguson runs the blog Skeptic Money and was one of the speakers at Skepticon, an annual skeptics conference held in Springfield, Mo. Credit: FAVS photo by Kellie Kotraba

Be open. Some of the neighbor children new Ferguson was atheist, and when they said something about it, he told them more. 

Have fun with science. He recommended stevespanglerscience.com. 

Give children books about evolution, science, etc.

Listen to talks. When Ferguson played a talk by Julia Sweeney with his children in the car, they heard it and got more understanding of atheism.  

Do magic tricks – and optical illusions, too. "Things are not always what they appear to be," Ferguson said. 

Show Youtube videos, such as those The Thinking Atheist and Dark Matter 2525, and the Mr. Deity series.

Introduce them to atheist musicians, such as George Hrab.

Teach them about different world religions.

*CORRECTION: This story has been updated to include a more accurate description of agnosticism, in response to the reader comments below.

Topics: Culture, Science
Beliefs: Freethought (Atheist, Humanist, Agnostic)
Tags: #sk5, advice, atheism, children, phil ferguson, skeptic money, skepticon, springfield

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  1. “Being unafilliated does not mean someone is atheist, or an agnostic (one who neither believes nor doesn’t believe God exists).”

    This isn’t really correct. Belief is a “yes or no” thing—there is no middle ground, and agnosticism isn’t a middle ground between theism and atheism.

    What happens is that people commonly confuse the absence of belief in a positive position (“I do not believe in any deities”) with the positive belief in a negative position (“I do believe there are no deities.”) But these are not the same thing. If you can answer “yes” to the question “I believe at least one deity exists,” then you’re a theist. If you can’t, you’re an atheist. There is no third option. Not-theist is atheist.

    Gnosticism/Agnosticism is a whole separate question about what you believe it is possible to know. Most atheists are also agnostics: we don’t have a belief in any deities, but we also do not believe it is possible to prove that no deities exist. Gnostic atheists are uncommon, but gnostic theists and agnostic theists both appear to be fairly common.

  2. ” “Being unafilliated does not mean someone is atheist, or an agnostic (one who neither believes nor doesn’t believe God exists).”

    This isn’t really correct. Belief is a “yes or no” thing—there is no middle ground, and agnosticism isn’t a middle ground between theism and atheism.”

    While I agree with your point that agnostism is not a middle ground, being undecided does not imply someone is making a decoration on a gods existence.

    Being undecided just tells us they don’t have a religion - not having a religion does not mean you necessarily don’t believe in a god.  A deist might claim to be undecided, same as a person who just feels a guiding hand might select undecided for their religious preference.

  3. I quoted more than I should have, and you focused on the part that I wasn’t really responding to. It’s true that a person can be a theist and still be unaffiliated; what was incorrect was the parenthetical about agnosticism.

  4. Hello,

    I apologize for the poor word choice on agnosticism, and I’ve gone back into the story and updated it with your comments in mind. Know that it was not my intent to present agnosticism as a “middle ground,” but looking back at it, I can certainly see how it looks that way.

    I appreciate you both taking the time to clarify – and not only clarify, but really add another level of nuance to the story. In the future, know that I’ll choose a much better way to explain agnosticism than the way it was done here. (I’m also hoping to get more agnosticism coverage in general on the site, so there will be more of a presence than a short aside.)

    I apologize, and thank you very much.

    Kellie Kotraba
    Editor

  5. No need to apologize, it’s an extremely common misunderstanding. I think the real takeaway is that “atheist” and “agnostic” are not mutually exclusive and probably should never be separated by the word “or”. Every agnostic is also either a theist or an atheist. Every theist and every atheist are also either a gnostic or an agnostic. (Gnostic atheists are pretty rare, though.)

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